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Cassandra
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| Nicola wrote: |
I helped with the one-to-ones at a local dog class, and also helped with the agility training.
People don't HAVE to take my advice, Cassandra....all I am doing is expressing my own opinions, just as you and others are doing, they just happen to differ.
I think we'll just have to agree to disagree.....Ces't la vie (sp?) and all that!  |
You really need to check your posts before hitting the submit button Nicola. Because 'your opinion' is coming across very differently.
Its normally referred to as passive aggressive behaviour. |
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Nicola
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I trained as a dog groomer so have had experience and handled many different breeds, from Chihuahuas and Yorkies to Rottweilers and Newfoundlands.
I grew up with a collie type dog and cats. The house next door had a GSD and border collie. I also have a crossbreed now. A lot of my friends have also always had dogs too. |
My sister is a trained dog groomer, runs her own business down in Hastings, so I know the amount of education and experience you get from that job and its just not the same as you currently have with your westies.I am talking about dogs you yourself have been in charge of...trained...to be able to post messages in such judgment of people as you have done on this forum. |
I gained a lot of experience through dog grooming...handling and otherwise...I also helped a few people with behavioural problems they were having wth their dogs, and they thanked me no end. |
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marcella
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Nicola wrote: |
| I think we'll just have to agree to disagree.....Ces't la vie (sp?) and all that! |
that's it. Nothing wrong with healthy debating........... just as long as it doesn't get personal. |
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Nicola
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Cassandra wrote: |
| Nicola wrote: |
I helped with the one-to-ones at a local dog class, and also helped with the agility training.
People don't HAVE to take my advice, Cassandra....all I am doing is expressing my own opinions, just as you and others are doing, they just happen to differ.
I think we'll just have to agree to disagree.....Ces't la vie (sp?) and all that! |
You really need to check your posts before hitting the submit button Nicola. Because 'your opinion' is coming across very differently.
Its normally referred to as passive aggressive behaviour. |
 Cassandra, I happen to like my posts, thanks. It's you who seems to have a problem with them. 
Me, aggressive? You know nothing about me.
You've chatted with me on a forum for one night, and you have decided that i'm passively aggressive....I could say that what makes you "qualified" to determine the type of person I am....through a quick chat on a messageboard....  |
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Nicola
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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| marcella wrote: |
| Nicola wrote: |
| I think we'll just have to agree to disagree.....Ces't la vie (sp?) and all that! |
that's it. Nothing wrong with healthy debating........... just as long as it doesn't get personal. |
Exactly, Marcella...I've enjoyed myseld tonight!
Now I really am going to bed!  |
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marcella
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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| good night Nicola. |
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Nicola
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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| good night Nicola. |
Night, Marcella.  |
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Cassandra
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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Cassandra, I happen to like my posts, thanks. It's you who seems to have a problem with them.
Me, aggressive? You know nothing about me.
You've chatted with me on a forum for one night, and you have decided that i'm passively aggressive....I could say that what makes you "qualified" to determine the type of person I am....through a quick chat on a messageboard.... |
Nicola hunni. I have participated and maintained message boards on various subjects for the last 5 years, participated in debates on far more philosophical and intellectual debates than just dogs, and I can...100% hand on heart assure you that I have seen it all.
That is why i feel I am 'qualified' to comment on your posting behaviour. Even if it is just your internet personality, I've seen it before...over and over and over again.
Same old replies, same ole smilies...same old same old.
If you wish to take my comments as an psychological analysis of yourself then thats your business, however your attempts to twist basic english are see through to say the least. |
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Janice
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This may be a bit off topic but I wondered exactly what is meant by corrections. I assume a lead correction means a jerk but what do people mean by scruffing and alpha rolls? So far I've just tried to be positive with Dale and my last dog shook if anyone raised their voice even if he wasn't the one in trouble so it was never really an issue.
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Nicola
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Cassandra wrote: |
| Nicola wrote: |
Cassandra, I happen to like my posts, thanks. It's you who seems to have a problem with them.
Me, aggressive? You know nothing about me.
You've chatted with me on a forum for one night, and you have decided that i'm passively aggressive....I could say that what makes you "qualified" to determine the type of person I am....through a quick chat on a messageboard.... |
Nicola hunni. I have participated and maintained message boards on various subjects for the last 5 years, participated in debates on far more philosophical and intellectual debates than just dogs, and I can...100% hand on heart assure you that I have seen it all.
That is why i feel I am 'qualified' to comment on your posting behaviour. Even if it is just your internet personality, I've seen it before...over and over and over again.
Same old replies, same ole smilies...same old same old.
If you wish to take my comments as an psychological analysis of yourself then thats your business, however your attempts to twist basic english are see through to say the least. |
Oooh, scary stuff!  I'm a devil. 
Goodnight, dearest Cassandra. |
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marcella
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Janice wrote: |
| This may be a bit off topic but I wondered exactly what is meant by corrections. I assume a lead correction means a jerk but what do people mean by scruffing and alpha rolls? So far I've just tried to be positive with Dale and my last dog shook if anyone raised their voice even if he wasn't the one in trouble so it was never really an issue. |
Janice your post got lost in the middle of the Cassandra and Nicola lovefest!!!!!!!!!!
I'll let John answer that! |
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Cassandra
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Nicola wrote: |
[Oooh, scary stuff! I'm a devil.
Goodnight, dearest Cassandra. |
No you're not the devil has more style
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| This may be a bit off topic but I wondered exactly what is meant by corrections. I assume a lead correction means a jerk but what do people mean by scruffing and alpha rolls? So far I've just tried to be positive with Dale and my last dog shook if anyone raised their voice even if he wasn't the one in trouble so it was never really an issue. |
Have you ever watched a mother with her pups, or even a pack of wolves and their pups? Placing a dog on its back is putting it in a submissive position, its something the alpha in a pack would do to a lesser ranked dog within the group. This is what I think is referred to as an alpha roll.
My friend with staffies has done this on a couple of occassions...she even went the whole hog and pinned said dog with 'her' mouth...just to get the point across.
Another correction you will see, and I remember seeing this with my last BC's mum and older half brother. Is simply pushing the pup to the ground with scruff of the neck. Obviously mum has teeth and you have to be careful, because mum won't use much force...cos of said teeth ..you are making a point rather than trying to physically hurt them...which is what I would refer to as a hit.
I only had to do this once with my old BC. I have done it once with Ash when he was getting too boistrous with the kids and he has been fine. |
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carol
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think hitting your dog is productive.
Why would you hit a dog?
To get it to do what it is told?
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to stop doing something you don't want?
I have 10 dogs in my home. I have no need to hit or throw any of them on their back or to shout at them.
The way I look at it is if my dog is doing something I dislike, the problem stems from me! Im the one who is training him and I must recognize, prevent and avoid situations that lead to my dog doing something or getting himself into a situation I dislike.
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marcella
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 12:00 am Post subject: |
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| carol wrote: |
I don't think hitting your dog is productive.
I have no need to hit or throw any of them on their back or to shout at them.
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Alpha rolling is a practice I find quite disturbing ............... only the other day John showed me a video of this that was on youtube and neither of us found it easy viewing. Poor dog was distressed. |
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Cassandra
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 12:28 am Post subject: |
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It all comes back down to breeds...individual dogs and the handlers.
Laura has already posted about how normal pack mentality isn't applicable to staffies because of their breeds purpose.
Different breeds require different handling, you cannot possibly use the same techniques with ALL breeds of dog.
I think that there needs to be an establishment of what people constitute as 'hitting'.
Perhaps there is another dividing line in the debate I think. People who are happy to work with the breeds nature and those who wish to humanise the dog? |
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