The dominance controversy and Cesar Millan

[steve young]

I've been reading a lot lately about the pack order theory being turned on it's head:

Click here for the article


I've not had time to finish the article yet, but looks interesting.
_________________
Steve Young
_________________
Dogs: Sasha (10 yr Lurcher, male) and Mylo (1 yr Shepweiler, male)
Pictures Videos

[shirley c]

Im sorry, but I would much prefer Cesar Milan to wor with Luka than one of there namby pamby its me or the dog type, they couldnt cope with adog like Luka, he def needs firm handling and dominance.

I thnk in general, normal dogs are ok with the other type of training, but CM specialises dealing with aggressive types of dogs, who have probebly been the the extreme and if its that or death then I know what I would choose for my dog

I will read the article properly and maybe take some from it, but im still on the other side, anyway, I dont see CM as being hard on dogs at all
_________________
lurchers Pixel and Zev and whippet, Fen
3 cats, Greebo, Yu and Lexx - 2 ferrets and Dales pony Jazz and adopted pony, April

[steve young]

Just for the record, I'm not trying to start anything. No Cesar fans vs the nambie pambies

I have Cesar on series link on the Sky+ and have trained Mylo using the 'pack leader' method and he's the happiest dog who does what he's told (most of the time:) ). I've no intention of changing how I work with Mylo because, well, it's working for us.

I'm only posting this because I find it interesting and like to keep an open mind. I'm just really interested in all things 'dog'.

Still haven't had time to read the whole article yet! lol
_________________
Steve Young
_________________
Dogs: Sasha (10 yr Lurcher, male) and Mylo (1 yr Shepweiler, male)
Pictures Videos

[kendal]

hey steave no one thinks that you are trying to start anything, you are sharing an article that you found thought provoking. there is nothing wrong with that.
_________________
microchiping and grooming www.chipnclip.co.uk

[shirley c]

Oh Steve, I certainly wasnt thinking you were starting something, nor did I mean this directed to you, I just get annoyed at all this on internet and stuff bashing Cesars methods and all this fluffy stuff that goes on its doing my nut lately, how they are trying to ban prong collars and E collars, now you know me and I would not advocate anything cruel, but everyone needs discipline, from dogs, horses to kids and im fed up with how nanny state the country is now.

Oh I certainly got off on one there no its just something that annoys me and im not saying that if you follow this or agree with it that you are as bad, cause I know you have an open mind about stuff so please dont take this as a get at you, I like and respect you....ok not spoke to you for ages but I will be bac at classses again soon
_________________
lurchers Pixel and Zev and whippet, Fen
3 cats, Greebo, Yu and Lexx - 2 ferrets and Dales pony Jazz and adopted pony, April

[Dan McK]

Well, seeing as it's now started........... I might as well put my tuppence worth in.


I've heard of this new approach, I think there was a article on the Dogs Trust (or SSPCA) web page about it a while back.

I havnt read all the article you've linked to Steve, but I've got to question the very 1st paragraph of it! The assumption that by using dominance techniques you are using a 'punishment-based technique' is flawed. I would say that Cesar becomes a dominant leader more through body language, as does Jan Fennel. It's more to do with pack psychology, rather than aggressively attaining dominance.

I'm not saying this new thinking is wrong though, I'm open minded. I would imagine one thing will work for one person/dog, and another for others. Horses for courses.
_________________
Parsons Russell fanatic

[Suzanne H]

To me it's all about manners rather than dominance.

That means they don't jump on people, nick food off a plate, mooch around the table at meal times, barge out of doors or cars, pull on the lead. And they have learned early not to do those things, because they are a) stopped from doing it b) given a sharp Hoi c) get no reward d) their good behaviour is praised.

It's the same thing as making sure you're the pack leader, I just find it easier to think about it in terms of my dog being well-mannered rather than "subordinate".

I also think exercise is just as important as training in keeping a dog well mannered. Mine only really take the mick when they're needing a run.