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Debbie D
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:54 pm    Post subject: Hello Reply with quote

Hello
I'm Debbie full time mummy of 3 and soon to be dog owner to a male Rhodesian Ridgeback/Rottweiler cross puppy Scoobie.
We lost our dog Buster (Irish Staffordshire/Pitbull cross) in December we had him for 14 years. Our kids 7,5 & 2 miss him terribly so we decided to get another dog. Three weeks ago we heard that my friends neighbour's Rhodesian Ridgeback had just delivered 6 pups & when we saw photos we fell in love with him. Kids meet him last night & are so excited!
We know he will be big, need lots of exercise & attention but we still can't wait for him to join our family.
At only three weeks he's a big boy, walking about & really alert.
Any advise or tips would be great.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi debbie and welcome..... sounds like you are all ready for your new arrival. have you chosen a name for him yet?

along with my daughter kendal we have 4 cockapoos (cross cocker spaniel poodle).... gypsy and inca who are 5 echo who is 3 and our youngest delta who is just one.

this is a great place for hints and tips and any questions you might have.... there will always be someone with a bit of advice.

first rule when you bring your new puppy in is to start as you mean to go on.... just because he is cute doesn't mean he can be get his own way... sounds harsh but he won't always be that small. read up on the pack leader

http://www.cumbernaulddogtraining.co.uk/pack-order.html


that's not to say you don't enjoy the wee chap..... he will no doubt bring fun and love to your home and the kids will adore him.

we look forward to hearing more about him and if you can load pics.... we are all good at awwwing and gooing over puppies Rolling Eyes
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Debbie D
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:00 am    Post subject: Hello Reply with quote

Thanks Janis
The kids want to call him Scooby. We had a few names picked but to decide we put the names in a hat.
We have been given a medium dog crate from a friend so that should do him for a wee while. Got a blanket so we can have our scent on it then give it up to the mother so we have her scent on it for when we get him.
The woman we are getting him from says we can get him as soon as he's weaned as his mother doesn't have much milk left n there's 6 pups in the litter. I don't think it's right but she said the vet says that's fine! Our last dog Buster we got him at 10 weeks so we have never had a pup as young as that. I'm making a vet appointment for the day we get him to get him a check up n some advise.
So I may have a few questions for everyone in the coming weeks.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

got to admit i love crates and have used them for nearly 25 years and got some funny looks way back then when folk thought i was caging my dog. the fact is it becomes their space, their bedroom.... my lot still use their crate even during the day as i leave the door open.

as for the age and leaving mum ... i'm with you and i like to get them at the earliest 8 weeks.... they need mum til then..... it's up to you when you take him but you could say you need to get a few things ready and would be grateful if he could hold him for a few weeks..... see what you think.

as for the blanket again another good idea.... what i did was sent down one to my breeder of my 4 and she popped it in with mum the night before i was to collect them and then when we left with her she had the blanket with mum's scent to make the transition easier.

on the whole though you sound well organised and excited and so you should be!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The mother's owner has never had a dog before, it was her son's n he moved in with his girlfriend n left the dog with his mum. She didn't know she was pregnant as she is only a year old the dog ran away from her n when she found her she was in a garden with a Rottweiler dog. She phoned my friend who's her neighbour n they realised she was in labour I think the woman just wants the pups away ASAP as she doesn't really know what she's doing.
Also as the vet as said they are big strong healthy pups n that it'd ok for them to go as soon as they are weaned she thinks this is ok. Going to see her in the next few days n see what she says. I don't work n my eldest 2 kids are at school so I'd have plenty of time to care for him I've looked into getting puppy formula etc so if need be I'll get that for him.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey welcome.


its not so much about their physical health im sure they would be fine away from mum. but from a social side, they learn so much from mum and the rest of the litter that the full litter really should stay together and with mum till they are at least 8 weeks old.

will the pup be vaccinated or be insured? is it your vet that has said they will be fine or is it the mums ower who is saying their vet said they will be fine.

as this is a cross between two very strong breeds and it wasn't a deliberate mating you will been to be firm with this dog form the start, even more so if you are getting it early it will be very mouthy so you will need to discourage that early on. also get it out about about early. not so much on the ground till its had it vaccs but get it out roundpeoplee. out side the super market is an ideal place for noise, smell etc.

as long as you are on top of things your should be fine. do you know what size he is likely to get to are mum and dad quite big.
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Debbie D
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi his mum is only a year old n the dad is about 3 haven't saw him. We are going to be firm with him from the day we get him like we were with our old dog who also a mix of two strong breeds. He was an excellent dog we never had any bother with him because of the way we brought him up so that is why we will do the same with this pup. My friend is taking his sister so he will be with her alot. Also I want to take him to puppy classes to socialise with other pups and we stay next to a large park which is popular with dog walkers.
I am taking him for a check up as soon as we get him and he will get all his jags & be chipped as well.
The situation isn't ideal about him being taken away so early even if the vet has told the owner it will be ok I don't think it is. I've just never had a pup so young and just want to make sure he'll be ok.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sound like he will be in good hands then. Very Happy looking forward to meeting you both.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Debbie

We are Alice & Susan we have Tia an almost 2 year old staffy, we always had rescue dogs in the past and Tia was our first puppy, its great to get them so young as this is when they learn so much ..we started taking her to classes straight away and have never stop going, its so good for her socialization and good fun for the whole family, the forum is great to you pick up so many tips...


Hope to see you at classes soon

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello

Definitely looks like we'll be getting our puppy next week! Spoke to the mother's owner last week about her keeping him as long as possible which she agreed. But heard from her today & the bitch isn't producing as much milk, pups are constantly at her for milk & she is trying to get away from them alot ie going up on the bed so they can't get to her. I've never had a bitch but I suggested she put a few pups on her at a time like letting them feed from her 2 at a time so they all are getting milk. The owner has never had a dog never mind had a dog & 5 puppies to care for! The pups are only 4 weeks is this normal or is it because the mother is only really a pup herself?
Also I'm worrying about how my puppy will cope being away from his mother & siblings at 5 weeks? And what should I feed him when we get him, how often & will he be ok??
I just hope I don't get him & he can't cope with being away from his mum etc especially as I have 3 kids who are so excited about getting a puppy. I just don't want to let any of them down.
We have now got him a cage, a padded bed, a blanket, puppy pads, toys, bowls, a wee collar & lead & some food.
Also what vet's should I register him with? As I don't think I could take him to the vets that I took Buster to for him to be put down in Kilsyth as I hate even walking by it!!

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

am asking some breeders i know for their advise, you can give the puppies goats milk but not cows milk. i think their stomach should be able to handle soaked (either with watter or goats milk) puppy kibble that has been mushed.

do you know if the pups have been to the vets yet, or what they weigh, or if mum had been checked over since having the pups. do you know how long its has been since they have had a proper feed. dehydration is a big problem in puppies. she need to get liquids into them.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks
I know her & the puppies were checked by a vet when they were born nut I don't know what they weigh etc. I'm going to get my pup checked by a vet as soon as I get him as I want to make sure he's ok. The owner has been kind if vague about what she's been giving them or when they have been feeding off mum.
My daughter gets special formula milk from the doctor for a milk allergy so it has no lactose in it so I was wondering if I could give the pup that to soften puppy food. I'm going to ask the vet! I've been searching the Internet all night tonight since I want to do what right for this lil pup so any advice would be great.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dont know about the milk that your daughter gets, but goats milk is recomended and needed at the age he is now espetaly as he isnt feeding from mum


this is the responce i have had from two different people

This is definately one for the pros but do have some experience and also have experience of a pup sent on at 5 weeks. Its too early, the dog I know that was sent to his home at that age as many problems socially, he is scared of everything, very mouthy and bitey at nearly 2 years old, he actually picked up the 3 month old baby and marked her leg he has really not benefited from being taken away from mum early.

At this age puppy food can start to be introduced to supplement mums milk, her supply will drop off as the pups grow but the food will keep them from being hungry and annoying her too much.They need the food because if they are only getting mums milk and she isn't producing enough they are all going to end up stressed out. She will want time and space away from the pups but that can be given without having to home the pups. Gradually over the next few weeks up the amount of food and mum will naturally decrease the milk she gives them so by 7/8 weeks they will be on puppy food 100%. She can ring her local vets to get advice on amounts and times to feed the pups and a food they recommend.
Please try to persuade her to keep the mum and pups together a bit longer, they are going to be big dogs and the last thing you want is them starting off in a bad way. They need to learn from mum and siblings about biting etc. Thats how they learn.
There is no way I would home a dog of that size and strength with a young family without it having the best start in life and staying with mum for the 8 weeks, they are just asking for trouble later on.
Tell her to get started on the puppy food



At 4 weeks old the pups teeth should start to come through so they will quite quickly get the hang of puppy food or puppy kibble 3 or 4 times a day. Goats milk is a must at this age to replace mum's milk. The easiest but rather messy way to feed these is to put the kibble and the milk together. That's where putting mum back with them afterwards to clean the pups up is invaluable. Even if mum only goes back with them for an hour or so after each feed that will be invaluable to the development of the pups. I would try to encourage the owners to keep the litter together until 8 weeks old even if they only have limited access to mum. The difference in a 7 weeks old pups development to that of one at 8 weeks old is huge. If they are separated from the litter before 8 weeks they are not ready to cope with the big world and it can seriously affect their confidence as an adult dog, as Karen outlined in her post.

At 5 weeks old our puppies have teeth fully and we then start them on puppy food. At that time mum then leaves the pups all day and goes back with them all night. So it's not far off the normal timing for these pups so if they stay together as a litter until 8 weeks they should fine.



is there any way you or your friend can help the woman so she can keep the pups longer.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm going to put a spanner in the works here and make a suggestion that is likely to be disliked ...... so for that i will apologise in advance......

if this were me, as much as i would be excited in getting a new puppy i think i may walk away from this particular litter and find one elsewhere , where they will be ready to leave mm at the appropriate 8 to 12 weeks old.

i would rather do this and have a happy healthy well balanced confident puppy .... with all the normal puppy trials and tribulations they bring than one that may have mental health issues possibly physical ones too as they grow and later in life.

i take on board this lady is inexperienced in a bitch with her puppies and just wants her home and life back to normal again and she has been left with a situation she did not want but for the extra time needed to ensure these puppies get a good start in life i feel she should bite the bullet and see it through for another few weeks.

again i apologise for my thoughts and sharing them , but i would like nothing more than see you and your kids with a typical puppy ready to face the world and become a long standing member of your family than one that may have issues and you can't enjoy puppyhood as it should be!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for both your replies. I also think these pups should stay with their mother as long as possible but the woman can not or maybe will not take this on board. She basically says if I don't want him she'd get someone else to take him.
If we hadn't been going to see the pups alot I would just told her where to go but we all have fallen in love with the lil cutie!
I went myself tonight without the kids to try & reason with her but didn't get very far. The mum doesn't have much milk left & the pups are getting mashed moistened puppy dry food but she says they aren't feeding from her as much & she trying to get away from the pups alot. I feel so bad for the mum & pups just wish I could take them all home fatten her up & love her & her puppies.
I'm phoning a vet tomorrow for his advice as I really don't know what to do.
Thanks again.
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