IN LIGHT OF RECENT EVENTS

[KirstyS]

Hi sorry not been on at all due to loads of uni work.

Sorry I'm the same, i wasn't aware anything happened and hope hes on the mend.

I just checked my insurance, is it the 'third party liability' that you are talking about. again Mico is insured and I'm sure that everyone wont mind bringing there insurance to classes if it puts everyone's mind at rest.

Thanks
Kirsty

[Gordon]

I have never met charlie as far I know. I wasn't sure about his age, that's why I asked. But I do know, that it can cause problems when dogs get to a certain age that hormones kick-in and battle for dominance. I'm not saying that is the case here, just an observation.
I agree with you all, that the forum is a place to voice our opinions without falling out with people. Thats why I like to come to class and the walks also because we all know what can happen between dogs and how to handle it.

[KirstyS]

Yeah i agree Gordon non-snipped dogs can tend to be more dominant towards other dogs and can quickly move to aggressive behaviour.
There is a marked difference between my snipped dog on the walk and my mums non snipped dog. So think hormones or build up of them can lead to aggressive behaviour if it isnt vented properly in a non-snipped dog.

[Gordon]

[shirley c]

I feel the finger is well and truly pointed to me and my dog, but since I have neither the time nor health this week or 2 to be on the forum I feal it very unfair I have to justify my silence.

Micheal and I have spoke by text Thur night when it happened, Fri and then I told him to let me know how things were going, I handnt heard anything by sunday so asked a few peeps, bearing in mind me and micheal had spoke, agreed about vets bills etc ON THE NIGHT, I did not ignore anyone in purpose but have had other things happening out with dog club, my horse has been left out for a week as I cannot work with him either at the moment due to illness etc

I will be at classes tonight with Luka, MUZZLED I will deal with this through, John, Allan and Micheal. if anyone has somesort of helpfull advice I will greatly take it,, but I do not wish to be lynched with accusations when i get in the doors

thanks, now I better get back to work
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[Lisa/Colin]

I have waited to get things straight in my head about this situation before posting.

As an owner of a dog with dog-aggressive issues, I really feel for Shirley, NO ONE can make her feel any worse than she does right now. When you have a dog with these problems it takes real guts to confront them...We would all love a 'balanced' dog and when we dont it is the people here that we turn to. I dont think I could have got through the last year with Hektors shenanigans without the support of people on this forum.

I do not know the full details of what happened as I wasnt there but I would hate to see a rift developing. I agree that we should have our dogs on the lead unless in a class situation. I dont know if I will ever feel confident enough to let Hektor off the long line in class, for every other dogs safety (even though they STILL gravitate towards him and my heart starts to pound...).

As for the castration issue, Hektor was done at 7 months, its not always hormones.

Lisa

[Janis]

[Alan and Lynsey]

No one is to blame for what happened, it was an accident. i know because i was there when it happened...i can assure you that no one is out to get anybody here, for the people that were not there at the time Shirley was devastated at the time of the incident and will be more worried about charlies well being than anybody else.

i think the rule of all dogs on a lead unless in a class situation should be followed because unfortunately wee charlie was lose at the time of the accident..... i also think the situation has been handled very well by Shirley,Allan and Michael.

Margret's suggestion of insurance is also a good idea because it will give people peace of mind.

anyway this is just my thoughts on the issue and i hope i have not stepped on anybodies toes or hurt any feelings.
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Alan, Lynsey, Meg, Peanut and new arrival Bella

[John Thomson]

[Jack]

I agree it would be a dreadful shame for ANY of you to fall out over this.

What is most important here however are the dogs and the best way to minimise the risk of injury to any other dog or person. NOT just from Luca - everyone has a responsibility to keep their pets under control at ALL times as sometimes it's not always the one that "comes off best" that caused the situation. Any amount of factors can. I wasn't there to see for myself so am trying desperately hard not to "judge" or have any preconceived opinions.

I will say this - as regards dogs being on leash.....mine are ALWAYS on the leash in the company of other dogs but this incident, I understand, occurred ON LEASH so making that a rule of the club wouldn't either help moving forward or have prevented this in the first place! I think perhaps moving more slowly when amongst the pack i.e. no sudden movements along with ensuring all dogs can be given a wide berth if necessary would be more effective. Avoid causing the dogs to "eyeball" each other in confined spaces would also help. Also if ANY dog has issues, irrespective of who's it is then as Shirley is doing on Thursday that dog should be muzzled to protect all around it AND it's owners pockets. In an ideal world these precautions wouldn't be necessary BUT we all know that the unexpected can happen so best protect as much as you can to prevent them.

You're all friends with a common goal in mind so I wish you well for tonight to discuss this in an adult fashion and agree a plan of action moving forward to make sure this can't ever happen again.
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[Dave Rowland]

The sad thing about this, what about walks, this incident could happen on a walk ?! do you lot want to walk with the dogs on lead? Sorry to say that if you're going to start tying up the dogs in the reception.
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Quoting Jack: you know me - a complete hopeless case & Sadly - and mark it in your diaries folks as you won't see this happen often - but <gulp> I HAVE to agree with Dave on this.
Quoting Kendal: coulu you decapitate innes for me please

[Gordon]

Janis that wasn't a crack at you. Margaret has had her dogs off also. All I meant was that I agree 100% with John, that inside the building that ALL the dogs should be on a lead at all times.
I am also not suggesting that the castration point wasn't the issue either, just an observation.
I came along to the classes with Bobby at first because he was also dog aggresive and he had also been castrated before I got him from the Dogs trust. The classes are a wonderful place for all the dogs to socialise and for the owners to get used to seeing tell tail signs of anything that MAY happen.
I personally think Luka is a great dog and my dogs have never had any problem with him.
NONE of us have perfect dogs. If we did we wouldn't be going to a class.

[Janis]

[Janis]

[Alan and Lynsey]

good point i stand corrected, charlie was with me off his lead about 5 minutes before and i was standing just behind you beside the wee puddle of pee on the floor.

you are correct my fair lady.
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Cheers,

Alan, Lynsey, Meg, Peanut and new arrival Bella